Ponderosa Jury House

All I understand is that you're not in finals so stop pretending like you ought to be. Clearly you fucked up somewhere so get over it.

For all we know, Juliet could have pretended to be tricked. Like Charles said, why would Juliet take out Sun. She's not gonna win in the finals. Thats one less person to worry about, and if she said she was tricked by the PM you guys would be stupid enough to believe her and vote for her to win in the finals.

If she was tricked by a pm there is no way in hell I'm voting for her. If she can explain why it makes rational sense to get rid of Desmond and let Ben get into the finals like she did then I will consider it, but I can't see any scenario where that makes a shred of sense. Charles, I'm just calling things how I see it and backing it up with sound logic. There's decisions I wish I could make again, but ultimately I think Desmond getting voted out blew it for us. That's the only point I'm arguing here.

Well if you really think that was her plan Charlie, then all the power to ya for thinking she is so wise. But if that was her plan, it failed, since Eko and I have made it clear that we aren't voting for her.

Btw, do we really have to wait for Sun's opening. I'm sure it will be just riveting. I'd like to move on with questions now.

Sun is done.. can we ask Q's now?

I think we can now. I am going to be posting mine as soon as I think of what I want to ask.

I wish we could see all the old forums so I can refresh my memory on certain things.

OMG Desmond, I love your speech.

Desmond, I'm pretty sure I know who you are.

Also, soundness cannot be easily proven, especially in a game forum.

Charlie I've said it a couple times before, I didn't want to vote against you. Desmond and Ana both wanted to and I was scared that if I fought that too hard it would make people suspicious that me and you had a f2. A lot of the reason they decided to vote you is because they felt you were too opposed to voting out Sun and thought you were in an alliance with her, and now that I know that you did have an alliance with her I don't feel as bad about it.

If I was in an alliance with her then why did I vote her out. Nice logic.

Well you just said you were in the tribal thread.

Sun was the 1st person I talked to in this game. We talked before merge and all and I wanted her to work with you, me, Kate & Ana but none of you trusted her and I started to believe it so thats why I voted her out. I had the same level of loyalty I had with Sun & Desmond but I kept my word with you guys, I always voted how we planned. I kinda do believe you cause its hard to go against the group but idk in what logic they thought aligning with Juliet would be better.

I don't know either, I was convinced she had the idol and I knew she was going to be harder to beat in the finals. You'd have to ask Ana, I think Desmond wanted her gone because he knew you were part of the power alliance and he wanted to break that up. I legitimately felt bad voting you out cause I knew it would be a real shock for you, plus you had never been anything but loya. If it were up to me I would have taken out Juliet. I remember sending Ana and Desmond messages the morning before you left, hinting that we should vote her out, by saying that I was scared of her idol and that I thought people would respect her big gameplay if it got her to the end, but I was afraid to come outright and say we needed to get rid of her cause I didn't want to seem like I was throwing her under the bus at the first chance I got.

This is what I got from Ana

"It's hard to say. I feel like the smartest thing for us to do is split the votes, but that's not going to happen with Charlie and Juliet wanting each other out.

Charlie doesn't know what the jury is basing their vote on... so he can't claim anything. Quite honestly, I think a lot of people on the jury won't respect the game Juliet has played. She may be flipping and flopping, but you and I have basically had control over her these past couple votes. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Juliet staying over Charlie, honestly.

I just don't know what it is with Charlie, but whenever I mention possibly voting off Sun he gets defensive and throws out another name. I'm almost positive that the two of them are working together in one way or another. Desmond dislikes Charlie too so it would be easy to gather the votes and get him out. I'd like for F4 to be me, you, Desmond and Juliet. We'd both be guaranteed F3 if that were the case. If we keep Charlie around this week... we run the risk of him getting with Sun and Ben. That's just my opinion on it all, though!

I will let you know what the plan is tonight after Immunity. I don't think we're going to change either of their minds at this point but I'd rather stick with Juliet. And if the jury really cares any... us turning on Charlie would classify as a big move, haha."

Eko has no loyalty, what else is new?

just die old man, your schtick was already old before this game started.

This schtick gets more action than you.

i'm an african war lord, i gets mine.

Hey guys! Kate, glad you like it. Charles, word up brotha.

I gave you all access to your private messages again, so if you knw who you are voting, please PM it to me. Remember, you CANNOT change your vote.

lol there are definitely some amazing quotes in this game.

"i'm an african war lord, i gets mine."

Best!!